Unless flight plan remarks say No Charts or No SID/STAR...
Aircraft that do not file RNAV departures should be given the Portland (#) departure, then as filed.
The description of the procedure says to expect radar vectors to assigned route/fix so you do not need to state this in the clearance.
Filed first fix/navaid need not be shown on the chart these are just examples of the possibilities.
Portland Departures
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Mike Fries
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Re: Portland Departures
Definitely avree, equally for Seattle aircraft should be on SEA7 unless on a pilot nav or RNAV procedure.
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Mike Fries
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Re: Portland Departures
Also note that the Portland DP says "thence on assigned heading" so TWR needs to assign a heading with takeoff clearance.
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Chris Brettrager
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Re: Portland Departures
Good catch Mike I never noticed that, initial heading is only for ODP likely...
The Don - I've been here for too long...
"He who stands a top the mountain for everyone to see, does not lead. He who finds a way to move the mountain, he is the one who leads." - Christian Brettrager
"He who stands a top the mountain for everyone to see, does not lead. He who finds a way to move the mountain, he is the one who leads." - Christian Brettrager
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Re: Portland Departures
Thanks Mike.
(edit: removed question, definitely overthought it lol!)
(edit: removed question, definitely overthought it lol!)
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Re: Portland Departures
We also discovered from Mike's friend who works at PDX TWR real-world that the assigned altitudes should be the following and that our SOP is indeed out of date.
Small single prop = 3k
PTLD1 = 6k
SID's = 7k
Small single prop = 3k
PTLD1 = 6k
SID's = 7k
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Re: Portland Departures
Interesting. Will our SOP_100 be changed?Justin Alderman wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:11 pmWe also discovered from Mikes friend who works at PDX TWR real world that the assigned altitudes should be the following and that our SOP is indeed out of date.
Small single prop = 3k
PTLD1 = 6k
SID's = 7k
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